Carl Wimmer: Making it harder to keep kids alive everywhere.

It all started with a tweet:

@CarlWimmer: “It’s wrong for someone to confiscate your money, give it to someone else, and call that ‘compassion’.

Carl, a Representative for the state of Utah, may have been a bit surprised to discover that that one tweet could lead to this:

Defining charity: the LDS Church and Carl Wimmer

Some took this op-ed as comparing Churches to Governments.

Others took it as comparing tithing (voluntary) to taxes (FORCED!)

But as  Mama to a medically fragile child with special needs,  my take was  different.

For me this op-ed addresses what is quickly becoming the topic of our times:  How we choose to help the weakest amongst us. And for some ( by damn!), it’s not going to be by THEIR tax dollars!

As Carl’s Facebook reply to this op-ed illustrates:

“Boy, someone needs to give this guy a civics lesson. 😉 To not know the difference between real charity and the government taking your money through force and giving it to someone else is a smidge emberassing. Heck even my six year old knows the difference in willingly giving of your resources, and having it taken from you.”

Except, of course, what Carl and many others forget is that not a one of us live life without being subsidized by the taxes of others.

Have your kids ever eaten a school lunch?  That was subsidized by tax dollars.  Gone to a state college?  Subsidized by tax dollars.  Visited the Zoo or Thanksgiving Point?  Subsidized by tax dollars.  That health care package Carl will receive if he spends 10 years as a legislator?  Tax dollars.  What  he receives from being a police officer?  Yup.  (and I quote)  funded by “the government TAKING YOUR MONEY THROUGH FORCE AND GIVING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.”

Somehow many are okay with being robbed for a cheaper ticket to the zoo, but to keep a kid alive……notsomuch.

Lets face it.  Medicaid is a flawed system that some of us have had to use to provide medical care for loved ones..  We paid into a system for generations, and then when we find ourselves in need of it get told that we are stealing from our neighbors.

The true test of character, I believe,  isn’t if you find yourself, after doing all you can, participating in Medicaid, but rather if you then work to be a part of the solution or not.  (Okay, so that isn’t my original thought.  But I do agree with it.)   For the record, Reed and I have been active in backing those trying to reform the system while still understanding that there will always be a few that require a government backed safety net.  Charities and churches are wonderful, but they can’t do it all.

When it comes to Medicaid for the people who are very poor or disabled only 13% would be in favor of major cuts and 39% minor reductions.  Addressing Medicaid fraud?  Making needed reforms to insure it’s sustainability?   Absolutely.  Accusing those who receive Medicaid as being thieves?

No.

In a recent conversation with Representative Wimmer, he explained that he wanted to remove Medicaid from the grasp of the Feds and give it to the states.  Okay.  I can live with that.  But….  Well, there’s still the whole ‘the government taking your money by force’ thing Wimmer throws around.  It’s still tax dollars even if the state runs the Medicaid program.  And Rep. Wimmer knows that there will be those who still cry that it is unconstitutional and that they are still being robbed.  (!)
Unlike Senator Dan Liljenquist who, through legislation, backed what he says in regards of caring for the weakest among us, the Representative from Herriman sits the fence, allowing some to believe that he would indeed end any form of Medicaid at his first opportunity, while telling others that he supports a state sponsored Medicaid program.

In his defense Carl says that he can’t be held responsible of how people interpret what he says.  They must come to him for clarification.  Even if they don’t know what they are thinking needs to be clarified.

I disagree.

If anyone needs to make sure the public knows where they stand on Medicaid, it is a person with the power to make laws that determine the future of  Medicaid.

When a person refers to Medicaid as being synonymous with being robbed, THAT would be a good time to take a moment and mention that while you don’t support a Federal Medicaid program, you would indeed fight for a state sponsored Medicaid program.

And don’t stop there.

With Medicaid being such a hotbed topic, I believe Representative Wimmer should often,  in public and on the record , state his position on how we as a society should care for the disabled, the elderly and the truly poorest amongst us.

Then be willing to let the chips fall where they may.

Carl may be surprised to discover how many thought that by tweeting such things as “It’s wrong for someone to confiscate your money, give it to someone else, and call that ‘compassion’. to mean that he would end government support systems and point those who rely on it to private charities.

(The Representative and I have had this discussion too. You know. The one where he  points to the time, years ago, when kids like Parker would have never even survived to become the muti-million dollar kid he is today, and private charities covered children’s medical needs.  And how if we would just reject living on the government dole, we could return to those times yet again.  Alas, I don’t recall him coming up with a plan as to how we survive the gap between going off the evil government handouts and the return of those embassies of tax rejecting compassion.)

Wimmer may be surprised at how many voters no longer support him.

Then again, he may be surprised as to how many more begin to support him. Especially as he prepares to throw his hat into a national congressional race.

Either way, each of us would understand exactly what it is that Carl stands and votes for.

 

UPDATE!  UPDATE! I guess Carl wanted to make sure that I really did understand what his position on Medicaid is.

 

Carl wrote: “Tammy, The problem is that anyone who disagrees with you in your opinon wants to “let your son die.” It is all or nothing with you.I do not support federal medicaid. I do not believe it is the proper role of government to take from one and give to another.”

Carl ALSO wrote: “Tammy, The problem is that anyone who disagress with you on medicaid (and make no mistake I DO disagree with you on medicaid) now “wants to let your son die.” It is all or nothing with you, and I am sorry I do not work that way.

 

Carl wrote some MORE: “Tammy, The problem is that in your eyes anyone who disagrees with you wants to “let your son die.” It is all or nothing with you. (Um…..Carl.  Parker is either alive or he is dead.  There isn’t much in the middle.) I do not support federal medicaid. I also do not believe it is the proper role of government to take from one and give to another. Where does government get its power? From the consent of the governed right? If it is true that government gets its power from the consent of the governed, then where did it get the power to take from one and give to another? We as individuals do not have that right or power, so naturally we can not give that power to our government. Answer that for me. The government who can give you everything you need can also take everything from you. I am being honest. Unfortunately I don’t think you want honesty, because I know for a fact that one of the legislators who you hold up as a hero on this issue agrees with me, but is clearly lying to you for your support. I won’t do that. Do you despise President Ezra Taft Benson as much as you despise me? Because it is his writtings that had lead me to the beliefs I now have.”  (Ah, and there we have it boys and girls.  The I’m holier than you are trump card. AND I must also hate President Ezra Taft Benson to boot.)

Oh.  Lucky me  Here’s another:

Carl didn’t know when to quit and so he wrote: “Tammy, The problem is that in your eyes anyone who disagrees with you wants to “let your son die.” It is all or nothing with you. I do not support federal medicaid. I also do not believe it is the proper role of government to take from one and give to another. Where does government get its power? From the consent of the governed right? If it is true that government gets its power from the consent of the governed, then where did it get the power to take from one and give to another? We as individuals do not have that right or power, so naturally we can not give that power to our government. Answer that for me. The government who can give you everything you need can also take everything from you. I am being honest. Unfortunately I don’t think you want honesty, because I know for a fact that one of the legislators who you hold up as a hero on this issue agrees with me, but is clearly lying to you for your support. I won’t do that.”

Huh. According to Carl either one of two State Legislators or a State Senator lied not only to ME but to a whole room full of parents who have kids with special needs who met to discuss Medicaid reformsI told Carl that I’d let each of these three know that he is accusing one of them of being a liar and I’d get back with him.

Unfortunately, Representative Wimmer of the I also do not believe it is the proper role of government to take from one and give to another.” has yet to address the time and date of his press conference where he will announce he not only will opt out of the Legislative Forever Health Care Program paid for by money acquired THROUGH FORCE, BUT ALSO his refusal to be a part of a police retirement program that uses tax dollars that have been taken from one and given to another.

 

I rest my case.

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